What do you think?

by Paul Levins on March 26, 2007

Well, lCANN today introduced a new website with better navigation and new features.

The site has a new, more useable navigation system and an improved look and feel.

There’s a button in the top navigation that allows people to understand our processes and the timelines more clearly. I hope all that means more certainty about the processes and people can more easily understand how decisions get made and what stage of development a policy or program is at.

The improvement to the website comes in addition to a range of other things we are doing to inform, be more open and to engage in dialogue with the community. We used to do a lot of posting (and we still do) and not a lot of dialogue. I’d like to think that is changing.

Reporting

If you look at the things we are doing, I do hope people see that progress is being made. There’s more comprehensive reporting of Board meeting discussions (I don’t know of a corporation that reports the level of detail that ICANN does, but I’d be interested to know if there is), a public participation site that allows for remote participation at ICANN meetings and between the meetings, a frequently updated blog (I love the blog but it sure is time consuming! :-) , immediate email alerts as announcements break, a weekly newsletter and comprehensive factsheets on very complex but very interesting topics.

We’ve also introduced ‘interviews’ with Paul Twomey, ICANN’s CEO and President, the first of which appears on this blog. I want to do more of those.

Later this week we’ll make public a review done by One World Trust that looks at our levels of transparency and that makes recommendations for improvement.

But what do you think? What else can we think about?

And what do you think about the new site?

Oh by the way, I want to thank a guy called Marc Salvatierra who works for me here at ICANN for the incredible amount of work he has done to plan and implement the new website. It’s all his fault! :-)

{ 29 comments }

George Kirikos 03.26.07 at 1:06 pm

It looks better so far. It would be nice if RSS feeds were added to several other important pages, such as the Board Meetings agenda/minutes page, and the Correspondence page. Even better would be a “changes” page with a RSS feed when *any* change is made (i.e. new content added), so we can be apprised of new documents.

Paul Levins 03.26.07 at 1:51 pm

Will consider these suggestions. Thanks

Jacob Malthouse 03.26.07 at 2:38 pm

Website redesign is one of those things that everyone thinks should be easy until they try and do it. Kind of like administering the DNS and IP systems : )

We’ve gone from a city where you have to be a local to get from A to B to one where the street signs make sense and the map is readable. Hooray!

Quick comments:

The “have a registrar problem” thing is kind of floating out there on the right.

It might be cool to have a participation by stakeholder group link, like, I am a business, organisation, goverment, user group, how can I participate?

under “Structure” the organogram makes it look like the board is Colonel Custer at the little big horn, surrounded by committees.

under the staff section, I wonder if it would be more user-friendly to arrange staff by department and then alphabetically.

Marc Salvatierra 03.26.07 at 11:37 pm

George – thanks for your feedback.

The addition and automation of new feeds is part of a package of further, future enhancements we’d like to make. Most of the site is maintained in static files right now. The eventual adoption of a CMS — or at least some customized scripting — will allow us to supply self-maintaining RSS feeds much more easily.

Technical details aside, you correctly focus on the information and content aspects of the new website. We will continue to ensure that all of our technical considerations ultimately go toward making information on the site more accessible. The blog, newsletter, news alerts and public participation site are already helping this happen.

Marc Salvatierra 03.26.07 at 11:56 pm

Paul – thanks for kicking off this conversation.

By way of introduction, I’m Marc Salvatierra and I serve as Web Content Developer here at ICANN.

Most of the feedback received on the site redesign so far has been positive. We took great pains to leave URL paths untouched or to redirect appropriately so that existing bookmarks would continue functioning. There is also a link in place that leads to the previous version of the homepage for those who need time to adjust.

I’ve now heard from a few Safari users who raised issues that were known to us prior to launch. Testing had shown that Safari would be problematic in the way it presents layout and color. Work is in progress to address these items. Any other Safari users are invited to provide feedback.

IE 6 (Internet Explorer 6) did present some layout problems during the design process but these were patched prior to rollout.

That said, any additional feedback or problem reports are appreciated. Please send details to marc.salvatierra@icann.org with the subject WEBSITE in CAPS.

Thanks

Dirk Krischenowski 03.27.07 at 2:24 am

Kieren – I think the new website looks very good, great work in a very short time. Sure you’ve got to get familiar with it but that should work our quickly. What I miss is still an organizational chart of the 68 heads of ICANN staff. I’d be happy to provide you with the “inoffical” chart we did an which we published a the ICANN Wiki.

Paul Levins 03.27.07 at 2:53 am

Dirk

Thanks for this. Kieren does great work but none of this is his!!

It’s is mostly the work of a guy called Marc Salvatierra as noted above.

There is a chart of staff with photos – still being populated!

Look under structure (top nav) go to org chart and click on staff.

You’ll see some very interesting heads. More to come.

Paul Levins

Kieren McCarthy 03.27.07 at 3:19 am

Hey Dirk,

I should say that Marc Salvatierra is the person to applaud for any changes – not me.

I’m with you on the organisational chart. It’s on the list, believe me. Soon as we have a bit of spare time, we’ll get on it.

Kieren

Shannon 03.27.07 at 11:10 am

Off topic, but right now you guys are patting yourselves on the back for a new website design while thousands of us registerfly suckers don’y know for sure if we will even HAVE a website in a few days.

ICANN told me they contacted regfly 5 days ago, and to wait 5 days. I did.

I contacted ICANN again today and guess what I was told? Yep, wait 5 more days. Cookie cutter emails just like regfly. This is the biggest joke I have ever seen, and it’s not very funny at all.

Paul Levins 03.28.07 at 1:34 am

Shannon

Sorry that you received an email from us twice. We are in the middle of our conference in Lisbon. We are not patting ourselves on the back abt the website and ignoring your concerns. We are still addressing the RegisterFly situation and I will attempt to provide an update later today.

I understand your frustration. Please bear with me.

Paul Levins

Peter A 03.28.07 at 8:31 pm

Question:

If ICANN is forced to do a bulk transfer with bogus/incomplete registerfly data, it would only affect domains that registerfly is the REGISTRAR OF RECORD. Correct?

ie: If someones domain has been moved to a different registrar of record for whatever reason, it won’t be included in the bulk I assume.

In my situation I was able to transfer out all except 1 domain (not popular) that they lost. The one that they did lose, I was lucky to regain via a backorder.

Thank You.

Elisabeth Porteneuve 03.29.07 at 6:19 am

Excellent work Marc Salvatierra! Very much appreciated.

I could eventually discover financial documents related to the ccTLDs I have been trying desperately to find ;-)

Still more improvements are necessary. To start with: where are archives of all ccNSO mailing lists? I am just coming back from Lisbon, when ccNSO current chair have been asking Icann staff to provide for that information – it fits into ccNSO.

BTW, I do not understand the logic behind splitting the ccNSO matters into that particular 5 slices, neither the names given to that 5 slices (actually it’s not a comment to the person implementing the web structure, but to the ones who decided such structure appropriate):
Country Code TLD Managers – Information for
Country-Code Names Supporting Organization (ccNSO)
Country-Code Top-Level Domain Agreements
Country-Code Top-Level Domain Board Materials
Country-Code Top-Level Domain Listings

Thanks,
Elisabeth

Rick 03.29.07 at 10:04 am

TBH I dislike the new look. The color scheme (citric blues) is something that leaves little to be desired. Personally, as a web designer I feel you’re website needs to be much more informative and have a much more “usable” interface. Currently it looks like it was designed for rocket scientists.

Marc Salvatierra 03.29.07 at 11:37 pm

Elisabeth thanks – I’m glad you managed to find the financial documents.

Historically there never have been any ccNSO mailing lists archived at the site. We retain only forum postings — rather than listserv material — at http://forum.icann.org/. There are a few ccNSO items among those.

The differentiation between the ccNSO items you mentioned is simply a legacy arrangement from years ago. We’re open to suggestions for better groupings.

The naming of these items in this instance reflects their presentation on the quicklinks pulldown. In listing these items on the quicklinks, we thought it better to preface them with the full spelling of “Country Code Top Level Domain” rather than using the more jargonish “ccTLD” — it’s merely an attempt to make it easier for new visitors to become familiar with ICANN material.

We considered listing items on the quicklinks by both their acronyms and fully spelled out — however that would have made for quite a large list and considerably slowed down use of the “quick” links.

There is a larger question here of how information is grouped vis-a-vis ICANN’s website and ICANN-hosted websites such as http://ccnso.icann.org. The public may know these collectively as “the ICANN website” without realizing that content is managed differently and somewhat independently between them. It’s my job to make navigating between them as seamless as possible.

With a new site structure now in place navigationally, the focus can turn to ongoing development of improved content that makes a range of ICANN issues easily scannable and quickly understandable.

Your suggestions and those of others in the community are defintely part of this process and are much appreciated.

Marc Salvatierra 03.29.07 at 11:51 pm

Hi Rick — the aesthetic was a finalization consideration, put in place with the knowledge that future color changes are easily accomplished in our stylesheet.

Usability and accessibility to information were much larger concerns. And a slick interface is never a guarantee that users can quickly find what they are looking for.

I encourage you to address any particular items that you feel can be made more usable on the interface.

Likewise, is there specific content or some way of presenting it that you feel would make the site more informative? We receive many requests for content development and I’d be happy to add yours to the (re)mix.

With input from users like yourself, understanding ICANN and its work need not be rocket science.

Marc Salvatierra 03.30.07 at 12:16 am

Hey Jacob — thanks for the feedback and for taking the stakeholder perspective.

Any suggestions for a better location for the registrar info box? It is actually meant to be “floating out there on the right” to catch the attention of anyone experience registrar problems.

Frankly, much of the older participation content for stakeholder groups was simply redundant or irrelevant to the real needs of these stakeholders. However there is some new participation content, mainly for the At-Large Advisory Committee Regional At-Large Organizations, located at http://www.icann.org/participate/

The ICANN structure chart has always been as contentious as the organization itself. I agree that there is room for alternate representations of ICANN structure, but I still think this chart largely nails it, with the added bonus that it’s now easier to find than previous versions.

Regarding the staff page, you will have both of your preferences met. The roster will remain in place and a staff org chart, segmented by department, is on the way.

Thanks again for the feedback, and send more anytime.

Edward Hasbrouck 04.17.07 at 6:37 pm

I respect that the Web site redesign may have been *intended* to make the information more accessible. But I find it harder to use, mainly becuase it’s hard to know how particular information will be ategorized. And some of the most basic information is still absent.

For example, ICANN is currently conducting several “public consultations” and claims to be “seeking” public comments. You can find these mentioned under News -> Announcements:

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-30mar07.htm

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-4-29mar07.htm

But these issues, on whihc ICAMM is “seeking” public input, aren’t listed under “Current Issues” or on the timeline under “Curreent Processes” or on the “Public Participation Site”.

How are people supposed to find these?

The “Processes and Current Workload” page includes no contact information and incomplete schedule and meeting information.

A major improvement would be to have a list of all pending proposals and open requests for comments, and a master calendar that lists all ICANN subsidiary bodies (committees of the Board of Directors, task forces, organizations to which ICANN has delegated decision-making authority, etc.), with for each such body:

1. a point of contact (person, e-mail address, etc.) for requests under the transparency Bylaw for documents, records, etc. related to that body (just as most government transparency laws require each public body to designate a freedom of information officer)

and

2. a schedule of all meetings of those bodies, with information on how interested persons can exercise their rights under the transparency Bylaw to observe, audit, and/or participate in each meeting.

I would be happy to work with you on this.

Kieren McCarthy 04.18.07 at 12:09 am

Hey Ed,

Cheers – some very good points. Believe it or not, we are already working on several of them.

I think you’re right about there needing to be a list of current public consultations, I will see to it.

You’re not right about there being no contact details wrt the processes though. For example, all the GNSO processes are held on one page and have a “more details” link that provide full details of the process along with contact details.

I also think a master calendar is a good idea and we have attempted to put one in place at the very bottom of the processes page.

The truth of the matter – which we have tried to explain every time we talk about the website – is that this is just the first iteration. This step was all about getting what was on the old site into a coherent state on which we can build on. (And it was a hell of a job.)

We are now all working on a range of improvements, some of which can be done now and some of which need a whole new framework and content management system. As such there is a constant balance being struck between whether to create a temporary structure to get a piece of information out there or whether to wait for the framework to be in place and spend the time on something that can be done now.

If you are serious about wanting to help Ed, please do compile the information you mention and email it to me: kieren [dot] mccarthy [at] icann dot org. The more concise and ordered the better.

Cheers

Kieren

Edward Hasbrouck 04.18.07 at 9:10 am

Thanks for your response, Keiren. I don;t think you are responsible for the longstanding problem.

You say, “You’re not right about there being no contact details wrt the processes though. For example, all the GNSO processes are held on one page and have a “more details” link that provide full details of the process along with contact details.”

That may be true with respect to the GNSO processes — I haven’t been involved in those, and don’t know — but it’s not tru for many (most?) other ICANN bodies.

For example, suppose I want to know about Board committees. Not only is there no posted schedule of meetings for any of the Board commitees, but there are no posted contacts either for information about their meetings, or for requests for related documents or records.

Or suppose I want to find out about the current public consultation related to the “Independent Review of ICANN’s Accountability and Transparency”. Suppose I want to request copies of the contract(s) between ICANN and the “independent” reviewers, and/or the records of ICANN’s meeting(s) and communications with the reviewers. To whom should I make that request, and at what URL would I find that information? There is a designated address for comments on the report, but I can find no designated point of contact for requests for documents, records, or meeting info. This is typical of most ICANN bodies and decision-making processes.

There isn’t even a posted contact address or person for information regarding the Board as a whole, for communication with Board members, or for requests for records, documents, or meeting information for the Board. (Some Board members’ individual addresses are posted, but not all.)

Designated points of contact for each ICANN body for requests for documents, records, and meeting access information and a posted calendar of meeting notices, and a designated overall point of contact for requests that aren’t clearly related to a single body or overlap multiple bodies, are essential if ICANN’s transparecny Bylaw is to be given meaning.

I respect that (1) not *all* information can or should necessarily be posted on the Web site, at least in the absence of a specific request for it, and (2) you are working on improvements to the Web site that will take time and resources. But those are reasons why it is especially important in the meantime to have clearly designated points of contact for information that isn’t (yet) on the Web site.

Until such time as procedures can be put in place requiring all ICANN bodies to designate transparency contacts, and establishing procedures to ensure compliance by them with the transparency Bylaw (including its “maximum extent feasible” clause), a first simple step would be to publicly identify the overall point of contact for requests under the transparency Bylaw. That requires just one static page on the Web site, presumably linked from the home page and the press and public participation pages. Once the designation is decided (if it hasn’t been already), it should be pretty simple and quick to implement on the Web site. Given your job title, I guess that contact and the person responsible for putting those procedures in place and ensuring compliance would be you, Keiren. But I don’t want to presume, and there’s still nothing I can find on the Web site defining your role or the scope of your responsibilities or authority.

My specific suggestions as to what implementation of the treansparency Bylaw might entail are still the same as those I made when public input was last requested:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/principles-comments/msg00011.html

http://forum.icann.org/lists/stratplan-draft-comments/msg00000.html

So far as I can tell, none of those have been implemented, and I can find no public record of them even being considered, although they were the only non-spam substantive suggestions in that forum, and no public objection was made to them:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/stratplan-2007/msg00011.htm

Apparently some others find the Web site improved. I don’t find it more useful to me. And if it takes a lot of time and staff resources to make chnages like those you’ve been making to the Web site, I would rather you prioritize the transparency tasks described above, and in my previous comments as linked.

Best regards,

Edward Hasbrouck

Kieren McCarthy 04.18.07 at 12:47 pm

Hey Ed,

I wish you’d emailed me personally because now I have to answer in a more formal capacity.

Alot of the stuff you mention was in the One World Trust report which is, hang on, here – http://www.icann.org/transparency/owt-report-final-2007.pdf.

Now that is in public comment stage – go to http://forum.icann.org/lists/transparency-2007 – which I shall add on my list on items currently under public comment.

From there I am assuming it will either be up to staff or a constituency to piece together what everyone has said and put it to the Board to discuss and decide what it is going to do.

So, bearing in mind that process is going on, I’m not sure I should stick in any personal comments about what I think because it’s not my place to.

What I will say is that I have read the whole report (which I think is very good) and I have paid particularly attention to the areas that fit within my job.

You ponder if it is my job to be “putting those procedures in place and ensuring compliance” – I would very much doubt it. There are plenty of very good policy people and there is a specific compliance officer. Besides which I don’t have experience or the time.

What is my job? I think I am defining it as I go along to be honest. I’ll tell you my philosophy: more and better input from more people and then make sure it is listened to.

Along the way I am trying to put in place systems that make everyone’s lives easier.

I will say one thing along these lines which you also raise in your response: I don’t like the forums. I don’t think they work. And I think they end up wasting alot of people’s talents needlessly.

I consider this my job because I could have one million people get involved in ICANN but if that becomes one million messages added to an obscure webpage that few people ever read, then it would all be a waste of time. And it would infuriate one million people – which is never a good idea.

Anyway, I hope that answers at least some of your questions. Keep ‘em coming.

Kieren

Edward Hasbrouck 04.21.07 at 11:09 pm

Thanks, Kieren. I’ve followed up the unanswered questions by e-mail, as you requested.

Bill Graham 06.19.07 at 4:35 pm

The new site is a huge improvement. One thing continues to irk (at the moment — I am sure there are more), which is the inability to download some of the content as a standard word processor file. When I am trying to work with a document like the response to the OWT report, it would be really helpful to be able to download it in a convenient form.

Kieren McCarthy 06.19.07 at 6:35 pm

You mean Word?

Kieren

Anonymous 06.26.07 at 5:14 pm

porque no se puede ver la web en español?
WHAY CAN I`SEE THE WEB PAGE IN SPANISH???

Kieren McCarthy 06.27.07 at 4:43 am

Because we haven’t installed a machine translation yet (I am experimenting on my persona blog to see if it is useful), and because ICANN has still to produce a solid translation system, but it is working on it.

There are some posts specifically covering Spanish issues however, and you can find them at: http://blog.icann.org/?cat=14

Kieren

Anonymous 07.22.07 at 7:18 am

The fact moniker.com is still allowed to operate under your certification proves you are a faulty organization.

Kieren McCarthy 07.22.07 at 2:27 pm

In what way, precisely?

Kieren

Phil Decker 09.20.07 at 1:23 am

I can’t understand why the website isn’t available in german, the biggest ccTLD worldwide….

Olakorede Adeleye 10.18.07 at 12:47 am

Hi, you guys are doing a wonderful job and i will like to be a memeber. Who is the Africa/Nigeria ICANN’s regional manager?

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