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	<title>Comments on: RegisterFly Update 29 May 2007:  GoDaddy Takes Over Names From RegisterFly</title>
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		<title>By: Down with RegisterFly &#124; Floating Sun</title>
		<link>http://blog.icann.org/2007/05/registerfly-update-29-may-2007-godaddy-takes-over-names-from-registerfly/comment-page-1/#comment-6937</link>
		<dc:creator>Down with RegisterFly &#124; Floating Sun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] my domains elsewhere, so RegisterFly does NOT manage them anymore. In fact, GoDaddy officially took over all domain names being managed by [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my domains elsewhere, so RegisterFly does NOT manage them anymore. In fact, GoDaddy officially took over all domain names being managed by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Cell</title>
		<link>http://blog.icann.org/2007/05/registerfly-update-29-may-2007-godaddy-takes-over-names-from-registerfly/comment-page-1/#comment-2260</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow!  GoDaddy rocks!  A VP there read this blog and contacted their billing department manager, and told him to look me up and give me a call and make it all right.  Pretty proactive!

They are going to reimburse me for the overdraft fees that I incurred.

If anyone else has incurred similar fees associated with the GoDaddy &quot;takeover&quot; of RegisterFly, I encourage you to contact GoDaddy&#039;s billing department.

Best Wishes

John Cell]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  GoDaddy rocks!  A VP there read this blog and contacted their billing department manager, and told him to look me up and give me a call and make it all right.  Pretty proactive!</p>
<p>They are going to reimburse me for the overdraft fees that I incurred.</p>
<p>If anyone else has incurred similar fees associated with the GoDaddy &#8220;takeover&#8221; of RegisterFly, I encourage you to contact GoDaddy&#8217;s billing department.</p>
<p>Best Wishes</p>
<p>John Cell</p>
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		<title>By: Kieren McCarthy</title>
		<link>http://blog.icann.org/2007/05/registerfly-update-29-may-2007-godaddy-takes-over-names-from-registerfly/comment-page-1/#comment-2247</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieren McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;This is rapidly descending into nonsense and name-calling. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can I point out to people this paragraph in the blog comment policy:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Libel, conjecture, nonsense&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Likewise, we will delete - without notice or appeal - blog posts that contain unsubstantiated claims, libellous accusations, or accusations of conspiracy. The ICANN blog will not deal in wild claims. We are a professional organisation and will remain entirely disinterested in anything that has no factual basis or useful, practical point.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are rapidly reaching that point. The same point has been made countless times by the same few people. They are not happy about the GoDaddy 60-day issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ICANN has responded several times to this. RegisterFly&#039;s domains were bought in a commercial deal with GoDaddy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your arguments have been heard. We will review them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The conversation has gone nowhere else for three days so I am closing this post to comments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kieren McCarthy&lt;br /&gt;
General manager of public participation, ICANN
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is rapidly descending into nonsense and name-calling. </p>
<p>Can I point out to people this paragraph in the blog comment policy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Libel, conjecture, nonsense</p>
<p>Likewise, we will delete &#8211; without notice or appeal &#8211; blog posts that contain unsubstantiated claims, libellous accusations, or accusations of conspiracy. The ICANN blog will not deal in wild claims. We are a professional organisation and will remain entirely disinterested in anything that has no factual basis or useful, practical point.&#8221;</p>
<p>We are rapidly reaching that point. The same point has been made countless times by the same few people. They are not happy about the GoDaddy 60-day issue.</p>
<p>ICANN has responded several times to this. RegisterFly&#8217;s domains were bought in a commercial deal with GoDaddy. </p>
<p>Your arguments have been heard. We will review them.</p>
<p>The conversation has gone nowhere else for three days so I am closing this post to comments.</p>
<p>Kieren McCarthy<br />
General manager of public participation, ICANN</p>
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		<title>By: repb</title>
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		<dc:creator>repb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kieren

ICAN would do better in explaining right now why is GoDaddy refusing to allow domains transfers right. Those, like me, who do understand how DNS works and even know a document called &quot;Policy on Transfer of Registrations between Registrars&quot;, sure would like to know what are the legal grounds for Godaddy to act like this. 

They argued that it was a transfer but surely it was not a User-Authorized Transfer! On the other habd you state that it was also not an ICANN-sponsored transfer and that it was a &quot;commercial arrangement&quot;. So, from my point of vue, GoDaddy&#039;s imposed 60-day transfer prohibition is clearly abusive.

I sure like to ear what ICANN has to stay on this...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kieren</p>
<p>ICAN would do better in explaining right now why is GoDaddy refusing to allow domains transfers right. Those, like me, who do understand how DNS works and even know a document called &#8220;Policy on Transfer of Registrations between Registrars&#8221;, sure would like to know what are the legal grounds for Godaddy to act like this. </p>
<p>They argued that it was a transfer but surely it was not a User-Authorized Transfer! On the other habd you state that it was also not an ICANN-sponsored transfer and that it was a &#8220;commercial arrangement&#8221;. So, from my point of vue, GoDaddy&#8217;s imposed 60-day transfer prohibition is clearly abusive.</p>
<p>I sure like to ear what ICANN has to stay on this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Paul,

With all due respects, we are not really getting a better deal.  I am sure you can tell that from reading the posts on this blog.  The anger of many registrants are steaming up regarding the 60 days restriction.  We are being held hostage.

GoDaddy also indicated that we have until June 28th to renew the expired domains.  However, we are already receiving notice that the names will get cancelled within a few days.

This mean if we don&#039;t renewed the expired, these domains will be cancelled and ultimately ended up on the GoDaddy&#039;s auction.

Please forvive me for being very blunt.  But if this happens, GoDaddy will find themself as an additional defendant on the current class action lawsuit.  It seems that ICANN keep digging themself into a deeper hole of legal trouble.  They keep making one mistake after another.

The right thing for ICANN to do at this point is to step in and get GoDaddy to remove the 60 days limitation.  Furthermore, ICANN will need to make sure GoDaddy don&#039;t put any names up for auction.  If this happens, karma will come back and haunt both ICANN and GoDaddy for a very long time.  In other words, more legal wars between the registrants, GoDaddy, and ICANN will be unavoidable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>With all due respects, we are not really getting a better deal.  I am sure you can tell that from reading the posts on this blog.  The anger of many registrants are steaming up regarding the 60 days restriction.  We are being held hostage.</p>
<p>GoDaddy also indicated that we have until June 28th to renew the expired domains.  However, we are already receiving notice that the names will get cancelled within a few days.</p>
<p>This mean if we don&#8217;t renewed the expired, these domains will be cancelled and ultimately ended up on the GoDaddy&#8217;s auction.</p>
<p>Please forvive me for being very blunt.  But if this happens, GoDaddy will find themself as an additional defendant on the current class action lawsuit.  It seems that ICANN keep digging themself into a deeper hole of legal trouble.  They keep making one mistake after another.</p>
<p>The right thing for ICANN to do at this point is to step in and get GoDaddy to remove the 60 days limitation.  Furthermore, ICANN will need to make sure GoDaddy don&#8217;t put any names up for auction.  If this happens, karma will come back and haunt both ICANN and GoDaddy for a very long time.  In other words, more legal wars between the registrants, GoDaddy, and ICANN will be unavoidable.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.icann.org/2007/05/registerfly-update-29-may-2007-godaddy-takes-over-names-from-registerfly/comment-page-1/#comment-2243</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that your comments also don&#039;t make sense:

FACT#1: If you are not sure, then don&#039;t counter comment on what &quot;ICANN + Godaddy = scum?&quot;.  He does makes several relevant good points.  I don&#039;t see ICANN or GD reply to clarify themself, do you?

FACT#2: Please don&#039;t make unwise comment like this.  ICANN was the one came up with the 60 days transfer restriction policy, not GD.  So don&#039;t tell us to &quot;take it up&quot; with GD.  Know what you are talking about first before commenting on others.

FACT#3: I agree with you here.  ICANN is innocent until proven guilty.  GD however, is indeed guilty by nature of the current facts.  Again, you are making any silly comment by asking the question &quot;would we rather be having our names stuck in limbo&quot;.  If ICANN ceased RF&#039;s operation since the first sign of trouble, we would not be in the current situation.  Be wise and understand that you may not have as much suffering than others and may not feel as much pain.  Perhaps your livelihood has not been depending on the lost domains.  However, we have.

FACT #4: You really makes no sense in saying the original commenter that he makes zero sense.  You said Registerfly sold us to GoDaddy without ICANN&#039;s involvement?  It seems that you have zero knowledge about the situation and is just shooting blanks.  ICANN orchestrated the entire ordeal and ended up choosing GD as the registrar.  This is against some of our wills.  GD surely hopes to profit from this and it&#039;s going to backfire against them in a big way.   You will see blood bath continue to pour in this great battle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that your comments also don&#8217;t make sense:</p>
<p>FACT#1: If you are not sure, then don&#8217;t counter comment on what &#8220;ICANN + Godaddy = scum?&#8221;.  He does makes several relevant good points.  I don&#8217;t see ICANN or GD reply to clarify themself, do you?</p>
<p>FACT#2: Please don&#8217;t make unwise comment like this.  ICANN was the one came up with the 60 days transfer restriction policy, not GD.  So don&#8217;t tell us to &#8220;take it up&#8221; with GD.  Know what you are talking about first before commenting on others.</p>
<p>FACT#3: I agree with you here.  ICANN is innocent until proven guilty.  GD however, is indeed guilty by nature of the current facts.  Again, you are making any silly comment by asking the question &#8220;would we rather be having our names stuck in limbo&#8221;.  If ICANN ceased RF&#8217;s operation since the first sign of trouble, we would not be in the current situation.  Be wise and understand that you may not have as much suffering than others and may not feel as much pain.  Perhaps your livelihood has not been depending on the lost domains.  However, we have.</p>
<p>FACT #4: You really makes no sense in saying the original commenter that he makes zero sense.  You said Registerfly sold us to GoDaddy without ICANN&#8217;s involvement?  It seems that you have zero knowledge about the situation and is just shooting blanks.  ICANN orchestrated the entire ordeal and ended up choosing GD as the registrar.  This is against some of our wills.  GD surely hopes to profit from this and it&#8217;s going to backfire against them in a big way.   You will see blood bath continue to pour in this great battle.</p>
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		<title>By: Senaia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senaia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I waited for an email from godaddy but nothing came. So I played arround in the welcome page and found a way to get my domains.

If you don&#039;t want to wait any longer, follow the instructions here:
http://www.webmastertable.com/2007/06/08/registerfly-domainers-dont-wait-for-a-godaddy-email/

It worked for me and many others. Enjoy it :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I waited for an email from godaddy but nothing came. So I played arround in the welcome page and found a way to get my domains.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to wait any longer, follow the instructions here:<br />
<a href="http://www.webmastertable.com/2007/06/08/registerfly-domainers-dont-wait-for-a-godaddy-email/" rel="nofollow">http://www.webmastertable.com/2007/06/08/registerfly-domainers-dont-wait-for-a-godaddy-email/</a></p>
<p>It worked for me and many others. Enjoy it <img src='http://blog.icann.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://blog.icann.org/2007/05/registerfly-update-29-may-2007-godaddy-takes-over-names-from-registerfly/comment-page-1/#comment-2240</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ICANN, can you please clarify, 

1 - nGoDaddy says &#039;Currently, we have not been given the authority to treat the RegisterFly migrations any differently than standard transfers. We apologize that this may be an inconvenience for you, but we are required to adhere to the regulations currently in place&#039;
So it is ICANN &#039;demanding&#039; this, or is GoDaddy using a rule that conveniently may &#039;not apply&#039;?

2 - It is a fact that GoDaddy blocks transfers if you update your telephone number or anything no matter how small in your domain registration details in the previous 60 days, this has no ICANN ruling backing (or has it?) to exist but it has been going on for a very long time.

Godaddy follows rules and add some new ones too?

GoDaddy is certainely one of the better ethical registrars around (IMHO), but blocking transfers on &#039;unclear and dubious&#039; reasons does lower Godaddy reputation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ICANN, can you please clarify, </p>
<p>1 &#8211; nGoDaddy says &#8216;Currently, we have not been given the authority to treat the RegisterFly migrations any differently than standard transfers. We apologize that this may be an inconvenience for you, but we are required to adhere to the regulations currently in place&#8217;<br />
So it is ICANN &#8216;demanding&#8217; this, or is GoDaddy using a rule that conveniently may &#8216;not apply&#8217;?</p>
<p>2 &#8211; It is a fact that GoDaddy blocks transfers if you update your telephone number or anything no matter how small in your domain registration details in the previous 60 days, this has no ICANN ruling backing (or has it?) to exist but it has been going on for a very long time.</p>
<p>Godaddy follows rules and add some new ones too?</p>
<p>GoDaddy is certainely one of the better ethical registrars around (IMHO), but blocking transfers on &#8216;unclear and dubious&#8217; reasons does lower Godaddy reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: cho0b</title>
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		<dc:creator>cho0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[p.s. I know ICANN isn&#039;t a government agency. I should have re-re-read what I typed. Although, ICANN sure smells like one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. I know ICANN isn&#8217;t a government agency. I should have re-re-read what I typed. Although, ICANN sure smells like one!</p>
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		<title>By: cho0b</title>
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		<dc:creator>cho0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure you just called me dumb. Sorry I don&#039;t understand all dem fancy words you&#039;s usin massa, maybe I gots em jumbled up.

I was only speaking about what I have experienced with GoDaddy. I have spoken with many other people who have experienced the same sorts of problems with them as well. That does not mean it&#039;s going to happen to everyone (like I said in my op.) 

My point is and was that I did not agree to utilize the services of GoDaddy in any way. I do not wish to give them any of my money and it appears that if I do not I will lose all of my domains.

And with regards to domain ownership, this is a very different time in the world of the internet compared to when most internet related legislation was set. You are correct that I may not own my domain when it comes down to it. That being true then what&#039;s the whole point of all of this? Why is there a government agency that&#039;s here to (amongst many other things) protect we the consumers from being manhandled by greedy companies that would like nothing else but to take our money and provide a lacking service? Why did I pay for my domain names? 

Oh, and if you can answer those then maybe you can tell me where I SHOULD be ranting about all these things that many many many people have experienced and are STILL experiencing with Registerfly, GoDaddy, and most likely many other registrars and resellers.

I know you&#039;re just doing your job, but without all of us domain owners ICANN wouldn&#039;t even need to exist. It&#039;s a paradox wrapped inside a paradigm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure you just called me dumb. Sorry I don&#8217;t understand all dem fancy words you&#8217;s usin massa, maybe I gots em jumbled up.</p>
<p>I was only speaking about what I have experienced with GoDaddy. I have spoken with many other people who have experienced the same sorts of problems with them as well. That does not mean it&#8217;s going to happen to everyone (like I said in my op.) </p>
<p>My point is and was that I did not agree to utilize the services of GoDaddy in any way. I do not wish to give them any of my money and it appears that if I do not I will lose all of my domains.</p>
<p>And with regards to domain ownership, this is a very different time in the world of the internet compared to when most internet related legislation was set. You are correct that I may not own my domain when it comes down to it. That being true then what&#8217;s the whole point of all of this? Why is there a government agency that&#8217;s here to (amongst many other things) protect we the consumers from being manhandled by greedy companies that would like nothing else but to take our money and provide a lacking service? Why did I pay for my domain names? </p>
<p>Oh, and if you can answer those then maybe you can tell me where I SHOULD be ranting about all these things that many many many people have experienced and are STILL experiencing with Registerfly, GoDaddy, and most likely many other registrars and resellers.</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re just doing your job, but without all of us domain owners ICANN wouldn&#8217;t even need to exist. It&#8217;s a paradox wrapped inside a paradigm.</p>
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