Comments on: The issue of YouTubeIslam.com and domain disputes http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/ Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:42:27 -0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kieren McCarthy http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-19112 Kieren McCarthy Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:42:18 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-19112 Thankyou all for commenting on this post and, for the most part, discussing the case in a clam and reasonable manner, without resorting to accusation or stereotype. I think there has been an interesting exchange of views and information here that should serve as a useful archive in future. We are now closing this post to further comments. Kieren McCarthy General manager of public participation, ICANN Thankyou all for commenting on this post and, for the most part, discussing the case in a clam and reasonable manner, without resorting to accusation or stereotype.

I think there has been an interesting exchange of views and information here that should serve as a useful archive in future. We are now closing this post to further comments.

Kieren McCarthy
General manager of public participation, ICANN

]]> By: Zak Muscovitch http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-19111 Zak Muscovitch Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:59:57 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-19111 Anybody who follows ICANN UDRP cases (or has practised law inthis areas as I have, for ten years) will know that this case is not atypical in the least. It is a regular occurance for companies to commence ICANN UDRP proceedings against anyone that incorporates their trademark. There are literally thousands of such cases of companies all over the world going after all kinds of domains and sites that incorporate part or all of their trademark. The question nevertheless, ought to be in all of these cases, is whether the registrant registered AND used the domain name in bad faith. That is what the language of the UDRP requires. Furthermore, it is a long established principle of the UDRP that mere trademark disputes that do not directly involve "cybersquatting" per se, are not withing the jurisdiciton of the ICANN UDRP. In other words, the ICANN UDRP is not meant to be an all encompassing forum for trademark infringement disputes; it is only intended to provide a remedy for the limited circumstance of someone registering and using a domain name in bad faith, as a "cybersquatter", not as a "trademark infringer". For more information, see http://www.DNattorney.com. Anybody who follows ICANN UDRP cases (or has practised law inthis areas as I have, for ten years) will know that this case is not atypical in the least. It is a regular occurance for companies to commence ICANN UDRP proceedings against anyone that incorporates their trademark. There are literally thousands of such cases of companies all over the world going after all kinds of domains and sites that incorporate part or all of their trademark. The question nevertheless, ought to be in all of these cases, is whether the registrant registered AND used the domain name in bad faith. That is what the language of the UDRP requires. Furthermore, it is a long established principle of the UDRP that mere trademark disputes that do not directly involve “cybersquatting” per se, are not withing the jurisdiciton of the ICANN UDRP. In other words, the ICANN UDRP is not meant to be an all encompassing forum for trademark infringement disputes; it is only intended to provide a remedy for the limited circumstance of someone registering and using a domain name in bad faith, as a “cybersquatter”, not as a “trademark infringer”. For more information, see http://www.DNattorney.com.

]]> By: jeff http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-19110 jeff Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:16:19 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-19110 This is the most idiotic argument I ever heard. There are many websites with the site name youtubechristian.com, youtubeleech.com etc which are also well known. So why isnt google taking those down? This is not about whining to Joe J. Its about discrimination. Maybe the fact that youtube owner is jewish has to do a lot with this. by the way i m not arab but a white person. Its in their blood to offend trust me their talmud says it all. This is the most idiotic argument I ever heard. There are many websites with the site name youtubechristian.com, youtubeleech.com etc which are also well known. So why isnt google taking those down? This is not about whining to Joe J. Its about discrimination. Maybe the fact that youtube owner is jewish has to do a lot with this. by the way i m not arab but a white person. Its in their blood to offend trust me their talmud says it all.

]]> By: John Berryhill http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-18932 John Berryhill Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:59:59 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-18932 Peace to you all, I have a question for many here. If I were to start a website for religious software, such as calculating prayer times, would it be good of me to register: MicrosoftIslam.com ? If I were to start a halal fast food restaurant chain, what would you think of the name: McDonaldsHalal.com ? It is quite possible to run a video sharing site without having to use the mark "YouTube" in the name for it. I agree there are many offensive, disrespectful and inappropriate videos available on YouTube. For that reason, why would anyone want to run a site for inspirational and sacred messages using the trademark "YouTube" in the name? YouTube was already a famous name for a particular video sharing site when the name YouTubeIslam.com was chosen. There are other video sharing sites which do not use the term "YouTube" in their name. The only reason to use "YouTube" in the name is to ride on the reputation of the YouTube that already existed. But we all agree that YouTube has many offensive videos posted on it. So why did this site try to associate the name YouTube with a good an honorable faith? In peace, John Peace to you all,

I have a question for many here.

If I were to start a website for religious software, such as calculating prayer times, would it be good of me to register:

MicrosoftIslam.com ?

If I were to start a halal fast food restaurant chain, what would you think of the name:

McDonaldsHalal.com ?

It is quite possible to run a video sharing site without having to use the mark “YouTube” in the name for it.

I agree there are many offensive, disrespectful and inappropriate videos available on YouTube. For that reason, why would anyone want to run a site for inspirational and sacred messages using the trademark “YouTube” in the name?

YouTube was already a famous name for a particular video sharing site when the name YouTubeIslam.com was chosen. There are other video sharing sites which do not use the term “YouTube” in their name. The only reason to use “YouTube” in the name is to ride on the reputation of the YouTube that already existed.

But we all agree that YouTube has many offensive videos posted on it. So why did this site try to associate the name YouTube with a good an honorable faith?

In peace,

John

]]> By: Bilal http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-18820 Bilal Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:00:54 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-18820 Nothing new here. Google always ranked anti Islamic sites on top. If you know who are the owners of google you will understand why. The internet was the only media left to show real teachings of Islam instead of all those mumbo jumbo media moguls and missionaries are putting out there. Now all the big social sites are bought by same people who own the conventional media (eg fox). Ofcourse they couldn't buy youtubeislam cuz the owners weren't in it for the money. So they just take it down. All we can do is boycott google, and start using services of other search engines. Google searches are full of spam and promotions anyway. And in longer run we need an independent international organization for domain services that is not based in USA. Nothing new here. Google always ranked anti Islamic sites on top. If you know who are the owners of google you will understand why.

The internet was the only media left to show real teachings of Islam instead of all those mumbo jumbo media moguls and missionaries are putting out there.
Now all the big social sites are bought by same people who own the conventional media (eg fox).
Ofcourse they couldn’t buy youtubeislam cuz the owners weren’t in it for the money. So they just take it down.

All we can do is boycott google, and start using services of other search engines. Google searches are full of spam and promotions anyway.
And in longer run we need an independent international organization for domain services that is not based in USA.

]]> By: D http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-18802 D Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:46:31 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-18802 Well Google is protecting their trademark against dillution, especially with such hige traffic site it was huge problem. BUT they could have handled it more sensitively - i.e. for couple of month put some link to the new site. Well Google is protecting their trademark against dillution, especially with such hige traffic site it was huge problem. BUT they could have handled it more sensitively – i.e. for couple of month put some link to the new site.

]]> By: Jual beli nama domain, parkir domain, lelang domain, bisnis nama domain Indonesia http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-18791 Jual beli nama domain, parkir domain, lelang domain, bisnis nama domain Indonesia Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:06:32 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-18791 [...] kata ICANN ( sampe mereka buat laporan sendiri : ) [...] [...] kata ICANN ( sampe mereka buat laporan sendiri : ) [...]

]]> By: Tommy http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-18769 Tommy Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:15:03 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-18769 Google is really using its touch. Yep, for past few weeks I began searching more with bing cause it got way better than google. But yes, sometimes i like to be faithful to google. Not anymore! Google is really using its touch. Yep, for past few weeks I began searching more with bing cause it got way better than google. But yes, sometimes i like to be faithful to google. Not anymore!

]]> By: shahid http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-18683 shahid Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:16:11 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-18683 This is STUPID what google is doing. I am against it for taking down that site! FROM now i hate google and will spread the message! This is STUPID what google is doing. I am against it for taking down that site! FROM now i hate google and will spread the message!

]]> By: gufran http://blog.icann.org/2009/08/the-issue-of-youtubeislamcom-and-domain-disputes/comment-page-1/#comment-18658 gufran Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:52:06 +0000 http://blog.icann.org/?p=988#comment-18658 Hassan. First page, ranked 4 is not youtubeislam. Factcheck needed. Perhaps you don't fully understand how Ranking works. Don't worry I don't either. But it's safe to say, any reason for youtubeislam to get ranked this high is simply because of this ongoing case. Even then, on the 4th of this month it was ranked at the bottom of page 1. Goofle may care less about Islam, and I believe this issue is MOSTLY business. But I don't think the people behind the decisions are simply "godless" individuals who are perfectly capable of isolating the whispers of ïblis"in them. How many in Google thought about engaging with one of their biggest customers before pulling the plug. And I mean the end user, the viewers who visit the site everyday. It's ridiculous to suggest Google genuinely cares about its visitors on this issue. There is no doubt that this concerted effort came to pass without ANY sincerity on part of Goofle. We will have to move on in any case Hassan. First page, ranked 4 is not youtubeislam. Factcheck needed. Perhaps you don’t fully understand how Ranking works. Don’t worry I don’t either. But it’s safe to say, any reason for youtubeislam to get ranked this high is simply because of this ongoing case. Even then, on the 4th of this month it was ranked at the bottom of page 1.
Goofle may care less about Islam, and I believe this issue is MOSTLY business. But I don’t think the people behind the decisions are simply “godless” individuals who are perfectly capable of isolating the whispers of ïblis”in them. How many in Google thought about engaging with one of their biggest customers before pulling the plug. And I mean the end user, the viewers who visit the site everyday. It’s ridiculous to suggest Google genuinely cares about its visitors on this issue. There is no doubt that this concerted effort came to pass without ANY sincerity on part of Goofle. We will have to move on in any case

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